Stacking 4-5 damage mod might look good, but doing that decrease your chances of survival in the battlefield, and there is also a stacking penalty, the more mods of the same type you put, the less it becomes effective. If you see those players doing 20-30 kills per match, it's not because of stacking damage mods (unless their snipers), it's because they have 1 complex damage mod, 2-4 complex shield extender, (one shield regulator for Caldaris if they feel like it), and a plate repair. They focus on surviving against close up gunfights, TAR is good enough with just one damage mod.

QQ some more an exploit gtfo you still have to land your shots and in this regard the ROF of the blasters out DPS the rifles. You might have convinced me on a slight ROF reduction and a wider dispersion so hipfire wastn't as easy to use to get kills but honestly maple you just come off like a whiny child along with the rest of the TAR is OP crowd. The AR is a precision weapon so of course its DPS potential is amazing but you have to hit your shots and make them count.

Stacking damage mods is about risk reward. You reference 5 high slot suits which one minimatar assault or the caldari logi becuse the minimatar suit struggles on the CPU/PG end of things to create its balance.

So oh the caldari logi you mean the suit that almost all agree needs to lose its role bonus(some argue a low slot; i dont the role bonus is suffficient enough to bring it back in line). Well now you have whats known as a confounding variable. You cant measure the TAR on its own if its being used in conjuction with an unbalanced suit.


So yea throwing numbers at me doesnt do anything for me, next time try context and you may be able to convince me.

The diffrence is that you can one shot infantry, but Tac infantry can only scratch your paint.

I can see why Infantry whines about it, i don't get why tankers need to whine about it ?

A +100 to you Sir.
And the AR is very expensiv. I can use it, but I don't do it allways, loosing one hurts me alot!
Damagemods? omfg! Areou insane? I'm using this thing in a "as mutch tank as possible" suit and i'm craping myself if it comes to a 1 on 1. Again, loosing this thing hurts a lot, and to be effectiv you first have to hit. And a have never sean a HAV with a AR mountet ...

Then i dont see why you need to vs use the tank gun caliber damage to use in your post, they use the same metrics in damage applied, but one of them cant shoot at oranges, only apples.

And while i agree the TAC needs to be balanced, comparing it to a tank turret is not the way to go.

Stacking penalties apply to the complex damage mods. 4 of them will net you 29.96% damage increase not 40%.

http://wiki.dust514.info/index.php?title=Stacking_Penalties

Just so u know as a expert ar user I think a regular ar is better than a tac..... Ill let others figure it out :) (psst I know what I'm talking about)

Lol maple you can stack damage mods on tanks too, and if you use it right it has the highest DPS. Lol see how dumb that sounds?

Things a tank can do an AR can't, let's start with the most obvious, it has a lot of EHP compared to any suit. Lets not forget the infinite ammo like come on, do you even pay attention to this game or do you just find spent big you don't like and cry about it. When I cried about something I had legit complaints and understood how it was broken. Now lets move on from just throwing a tantrum maple and lets fix the other 99% of this game that is broken.

Not sure it works that way.

I think (I could be wrong here though) that it works like this:

Base Damage x Skills Bonus x Modifiers

So in our case it would be:

78.5 * 1.15 * 1.2996 = 117 damage per shot

Hate to be the bearer of bad news Exmaple Core, but tank turrets just got ninja nerfed. I hope you don't have to redo your math because of this.

Try it with the Skills and Damage Mods applied to the Turret please. THEN compare.

They are not similar at all. This is what happens when people who don't use a class cry about what you can do with that said class/weapon. I'm pointing out how ignorant people choose to see only the things they want to and not the whole thing. Till you do that, all you are doing is throwing a tantrum like a 12 year old brat

Something else to keep in mind. Assuming you use a Caldari ck.0 proto suit, you have 4 high slots for your damage mods. However without shields in those slots you're going to be fairly vulnerable to return fire. Sure you can take proto assaults down in 4-5 hits but they can probably do the same to you with your 330 basic EHP. Armour plates might give you an addition shot or two of survivability but a scrambler will mince you quickly, no?

to be honest the weapon shouldnt be nerfed its the damage mods that are making the weapon this powerful. all ccp has to do is only let you use 1 damage mod per suit and this theory changes. its a tac rifle its going to be powerful. no offence to any of the greats in the game but seriously guys stop posting nerf this nerf that threads post like this is what screwed the build up in the first place.
dont you people learn?

Tac rifles should have a huge -75% accuracy penalty while hip firing, a 20-30% drop in ammo per magazine, and a 25% longer reload time.

They shouldn't be useless in close quarters, but they shoudn't be the all around go to weapon either.

Damage is fine, fire rate is fine. It just needs A Bit of risk added to the reward.